From faces-request Tue Jan 20 15:03:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: from moose.cs.indiana.edu (moose.cs.indiana.edu [129.79.254.191]) by grouchy.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/IUCS_2.14) with ESMTP id PAA09843; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 15:03:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (from kinzler@localhost) by moose.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/IUCS_2.14) id PAA03129; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 15:03:47 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: moose.cs.indiana.edu: kinzler set sender to faces-request@cs.indiana.edu using -f Received: from moose.cs.indiana.edu by hmrc.kines.umich.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA02467; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 14:52:49 -0500 Received: from grouchy.cs.indiana.edu (root@grouchy.cs.indiana.edu [129.79.252.109]) by moose.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/IUCS_2.14) with ESMTP id OAA02537 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 14:52:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from moose.cs.indiana.edu (moose.cs.indiana.edu [129.79.252.123]) by grouchy.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/IUCS_2.14) with ESMTP id OAA09563 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 14:52:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from troi (troi.ait-tech.com [199.99.235.138]) by moose.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/IUCS_2.14) with ESMTP id OAA02492 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 14:52:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by troi (1.39.111.2/16.2) id AA264535929; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 14:52:09 -0500 To: faces@cs.indiana.edu Subject: xfaces - how to control duration of msg display Organization: Advanced Investment Technology Mime-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: tom@ait-tech.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Tomislav Goles Date: 20 Jan 1998 14:52:08 -0500 Message-Id: Lines: 15 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/XEmacs 20.3 - "Vatican City" Errors-To: faces-request@cs.indiana.edu Hi, I'm new to faces/xfaces and have a question about how to control how long the image/message is displayed before it is replaced with nomail xpm. I'd like xfaces to keep (certain number) of images up as long as my newsreader (gnus) does not pull them out of the /usr/mail file. Right now xfaces shows me which messages arrived for a brief period of time and then regardless of whether I have touched them or not it changes into nomail. Is this possible to do and if so how? Thanks for any info. -- Tomislav From faces-request Wed Jan 21 08:11:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: from moose.cs.indiana.edu (moose.cs.indiana.edu [129.79.254.191]) by grouchy.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/IUCS_2.14) with ESMTP id IAA13702 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 08:11:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (from kinzler@localhost) by moose.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/IUCS_2.14) id IAA08294 for faces-distrib; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 08:11:53 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: moose.cs.indiana.edu: kinzler set sender to faces-request@cs.indiana.edu using -f Received: from moose.cs.indiana.edu by hmrc.kines.umich.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id DAA04765; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 03:27:45 -0500 Received: from grouchy.cs.indiana.edu (root@grouchy.cs.indiana.edu [129.79.254.195]) by moose.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/IUCS_2.14) with ESMTP id DAA01282 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 03:27:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from moose.cs.indiana.edu (moose.cs.indiana.edu [129.79.254.191]) by grouchy.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/IUCS_2.14) with ESMTP id DAA08977 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 03:27:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from cegelecproj.co.uk (ganymede.cegelecproj.co.uk [159.245.72.6]) by moose.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/IUCS_2.14) with SMTP id DAA01278 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 03:27:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from vampire.cegelecproj.co.uk (cerberus.cegelecproj.co.uk) by cegelecproj.co.uk (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA03452; Wed, 21 Jan 98 08:26:38 GMT Received: by vampire.cegelecproj.co.uk (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id IAA15998; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 08:23:11 GMT Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 08:23:11 GMT From: Steve_Kilbane@cegelecproj.co.uk Message-Id: <199801210823.IAA15998@vampire.cegelecproj.co.uk> X-Planation: X-Faces images can be viewed with the XFaces program To: faces@cs.indiana.edu, tom@ait-tech.com Subject: Re: xfaces - how to control duration of msg display X-Face: Iqsa(US9p?)Y^W+6Ff[Z]rM"uFE) lFDjag1e]\/#2 Errors-To: faces-request@cs.indiana.edu > Right now xfaces shows > me which messages arrived for a brief period of time and then > regardless of whether I have touched them or not it changes > into nomail. This is probably gnus adding the Status: RO header to the message, after determining that you have mail, and what it is. Or perhaps, you're using a POP/IMAP server, and the daemon is doing that. Either way, xfaces decides that such messages aren't "interesting", because they've already been "read", and doesn't display them. If you want to change this behaviour, you should be able to do it by fiddling with the XFaces.ignoreMessageBindings resource. Thanks for asking this question - this behaviour bugged me too, but I haven't bothered looking for an answer before now. :-) steve From faces-request Wed Jan 21 09:40:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: from moose.cs.indiana.edu (moose.cs.indiana.edu [129.79.252.123]) by grouchy.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/IUCS_2.14) with ESMTP id JAA15523 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 09:40:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (from kinzler@localhost) by moose.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/IUCS_2.14) id JAA13410 for faces-distrib; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 09:40:25 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: moose.cs.indiana.edu: kinzler set sender to faces-request@cs.indiana.edu using -f Received: from moose.cs.indiana.edu by hmrc.kines.umich.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA05622; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 09:13:13 -0500 Received: from grouchy.cs.indiana.edu (root@grouchy.cs.indiana.edu [129.79.254.195]) by moose.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/IUCS_2.14) with ESMTP id JAA11038 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 09:13:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from moose.cs.indiana.edu (moose.cs.indiana.edu [129.79.254.191]) by grouchy.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/IUCS_2.14) with ESMTP id JAA15062 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 09:13:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from troi (troi.ait-tech.com [199.99.235.138]) by moose.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/IUCS_2.14) with ESMTP id JAA11024 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 09:13:09 -0500 (EST) Received: by troi (1.39.111.2/16.2) id AA072581929; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 09:12:09 -0500 To: Steve_Kilbane@cegelecproj.co.uk Cc: faces@cs.indiana.edu Subject: Re: xfaces - how to control duration of msg display References: <199801210823.IAA15998@vampire.cegelecproj.co.uk> Organization: Advanced Investment Technology Mime-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: tom@ait-tech.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Tomislav Goles Date: 21 Jan 1998 09:12:08 -0500 In-Reply-To: Steve_Kilbane@cegelecproj.co.uk's message of "Wed, 21 Jan 1998 08:23:11 GMT" Message-Id: Lines: 39 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/XEmacs 20.3 - "Vatican City" Errors-To: faces-request@cs.indiana.edu / Steve_Kilbane@cegelecproj.co.uk wrote: > > Right now xfaces shows > > me which messages arrived for a brief period of time and then > > regardless of whether I have touched them or not it changes > > into nomail. > > This is probably gnus adding the Status: RO header to the message, > after determining that you have mail, and what it is. Or perhaps, > you're using a POP/IMAP server, and the daemon is doing that. Either > way, xfaces decides that such messages aren't "interesting", because > they've already been "read", and doesn't display them. > My guess is that the behavior is probably caused by either the POP server or xfaces. As far as I know, GNUS does not touch the /usr/mail files until you hit 'g' to have gnus pull the mail out of /usr/mail into the gnus buffers (unless you set up GNUS to automatically retrieve mail which I don't do). > If you want to change this behaviour, you should be able to do it > by fiddling with the XFaces.ignoreMessageBindings resource. I'll try that. If I get it to work I'll let you know. I have already tried to comment out that resource but that did not make any difference (in case this makes any difference, I'm running xfaces on HPUX 10.01). > > Thanks for asking this question - this behaviour bugged me too, but > I haven't bothered looking for an answer before now. :-) > As I said before I'm new to faces/xfaces but I'm very surprised that this would be the default behavior. The package seems very well thought out and designed in many other respects - that's why I was hoping that it was just me misunderstanding how to set some resource that was causing this behavior. -- Tomislav From faces-request Wed Jan 21 11:36:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: from moose.cs.indiana.edu (moose.cs.indiana.edu [129.79.252.123]) by grouchy.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/IUCS_2.14) with ESMTP id LAA18151 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:36:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (from kinzler@localhost) by moose.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/IUCS_2.14) id LAA22495 for faces-distrib; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:36:17 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: moose.cs.indiana.edu: kinzler set sender to faces-request@cs.indiana.edu using -f Received: from moose.cs.indiana.edu by hmrc.kines.umich.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA06241; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:23:53 -0500 Received: from grouchy.cs.indiana.edu (root@grouchy.cs.indiana.edu [129.79.254.195]) by moose.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/IUCS_2.14) with ESMTP id LAA21826 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:23:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from moose.cs.indiana.edu (moose.cs.indiana.edu [129.79.252.123]) by grouchy.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/IUCS_2.14) with ESMTP id LAA17837 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:23:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from troi (troi.ait-tech.com [199.99.235.138]) by moose.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/IUCS_2.14) with ESMTP id LAA21801 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:23:39 -0500 (EST) Received: by troi (1.39.111.2/16.2) id AA228689786; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:23:06 -0500 To: faces@cs.indiana.edu Subject: solved (xfaces - how to control duration of msg display) Organization: Advanced Investment Technology Mime-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: tom@ait-tech.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Tomislav Goles Date: 21 Jan 1998 11:23:06 -0500 Message-Id: Lines: 21 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/XEmacs 20.3 - "Vatican City" Errors-To: faces-request@cs.indiana.edu > This is probably gnus adding the Status: RO header to the message, > after determining that you have mail, and what it is. Or perhaps, > you're using a POP/IMAP server, and the daemon is doing that. Either > way, xfaces decides that such messages aren't "interesting", because > they've already been "read", and doesn't display them. > If you want to change this behaviour, you should be able to do it > by fiddling with the XFaces.ignoreMessageBindings resource. The solution (at least for me was to re-define the ignoreMessageBindings in the following way (notice that the string you put there could be any regular expression that you hope will never show up in any header line - so in effect you are telling xfaces to ignore something that will never match (or to put in other words - ignore nothing). Why is this not a default is an interesting question (if you just comment this resource out you get the behavior which I described earlier - my guess is that this default is hard coded somewhere in xfaces sources). XFaces.ignoreMessageBindings: \ Status: xfaces-ignore-nothing-in-the-header From faces-request Tue Feb 3 13:36:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: from moose.cs.indiana.edu (moose.cs.indiana.edu [129.79.252.123]) by grouchy.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/IUCS_2.15) with ESMTP id NAA08250 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 13:36:56 -0500 (EST) Received: (from kinzler@localhost) by moose.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/IUCS_2.15) id NAA17493 for faces-distrib; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 13:36:55 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: moose.cs.indiana.edu: kinzler set sender to faces-request@cs.indiana.edu using -f Received: from moose.cs.indiana.edu by hmrc.kines.umich.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA20912; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 13:35:20 -0500 Received: from grouchy.cs.indiana.edu (root@grouchy.cs.indiana.edu [129.79.252.109]) by moose.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/IUCS_2.15) with ESMTP id NAA17331 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 13:35:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from moose.cs.indiana.edu (moose.cs.indiana.edu [129.79.254.191]) by grouchy.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/IUCS_2.15) with ESMTP id NAA08215 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 13:35:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from hmrc.kines.umich.edu (alamode.hmrc.kines.umich.edu [141.211.82.200]) by moose.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/IUCS_2.15) with SMTP id NAA17323 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 13:35:16 -0500 (EST) Received: by hmrc.kines.umich.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA20907; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 13:35:15 -0500 Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 13:35:15 -0500 From: kinzler@alamode.hmrc.kines.umich.edu (Steve Kinzler) Message-Id: <199802031835.NAA20907@hmrc.kines.umich.edu> To: faces@cs.indiana.edu Subject: HTML version of this mailing list's archives now available Errors-To: faces-request@cs.indiana.edu Dear Faces Mailing List Subscribers, Past years' annual archives of this mailing list are now available in an indexed HTML format for Web viewing, as well as the mailbox format they've always been available in. http://www.cs.indiana.edu/ftp/faces/mailing_list/ and enter any of the ????-html directories. -- from the brain of Steve Kinzler /o)\ kinzler@cs.indiana.edu an organ with a mind of its own \(o/ (734)669-7204 http://www.cs.indiana.edu/hyplan/kinzler.html Requisite lame / acknowledge wateriness / flameproof anesthetist. From faces-request Tue Aug 18 10:33:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: from moose.cs.indiana.edu (kinzler@moose.cs.indiana.edu [129.79.254.191]) by grouchy.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/IUCS_2.18) with ESMTP id KAA05286 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 10:33:28 -0500 (EST) Received: (from kinzler@localhost) by moose.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/IUCS_2.18) id KAA25874 for faces-distrib; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 10:33:27 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: moose.cs.indiana.edu: kinzler set sender to faces-request@cs.indiana.edu using -f Received: from moose.cs.indiana.edu by hmrc.kines.umich.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA23407; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 11:03:13 -0400 Received: from grouchy.cs.indiana.edu (root@grouchy.cs.indiana.edu [129.79.254.195]) by moose.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/IUCS_2.18) with ESMTP id KAA24384 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 10:03:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from moose.cs.indiana.edu (root@moose.cs.indiana.edu [129.79.252.123]) by grouchy.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/IUCS_2.18) with ESMTP id KAA04665 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 10:03:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from maila.telia.com (root@maila.telia.com [194.236.189.4]) by moose.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/IUCS_2.18) with ESMTP id KAA24346 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 10:01:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from d1o204.telia.com (root@d1o204.telia.com [195.204.238.241]) by maila.telia.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA03009 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 17:00:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ellingsen.dyn.ml.org (root@t8o204p46.telia.com [195.204.239.226]) by d1o204.telia.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA07145 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 17:00:45 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from ellingsen2.dyn.ml.org.ellingsen2.dyn.ml.org (kellings@ellingsen2.dyn.ml.org [192.168.1.2]) by ellingsen.dyn.ml.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA00380 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 12:38:08 +0200 Original-Sender: kellings@hl.telia.no To: faces@cs.indiana.edu Subject: Faces-enabled clients X-Url: http://ellingsen.home.ml.org/ Mail-Copies-To: never Organization: The Church of XEmacs X-Face: 2nmhSqC#uKZMez_vZ5dd(]_w,y8B{,G>$2+MoI72o!D;"WdJZY'MKE0BJoyq#E$j;9!'"@< almkDf@@H_d/\b4{aD7s;biEuvbjjd/::C0u?c.~*sxf(#=F<^Vlxqe}]COl@kHx}\] Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.108) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Kristian Ellingsen Date: 18 Aug 1998 12:38:55 +0200 Message-ID: Lines: 8 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.6.36/XEmacs 20.4 - "Emerald" Errors-To: faces-request@cs.indiana.edu Does anybody have a reference to a Web resource where I can find a list of faces-enabled mail/news-clients (I know of XEmacs/Gnus, which I am using myself). -- KRISTIAN ELLINGSEN, +47 905 13 552 http://ellingsen.home.ml.org/ mailto:kellings@hl.telia.no /\..A billion saved is a billion earned../\ From faces-request Tue Aug 18 10:39:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: from moose.cs.indiana.edu (kinzler@moose.cs.indiana.edu [129.79.254.191]) by grouchy.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/IUCS_2.18) with ESMTP id KAA05423 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 10:39:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (from kinzler@localhost) by moose.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/IUCS_2.18) id KAA26224 for faces-distrib; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 10:39:50 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: moose.cs.indiana.edu: kinzler set sender to faces-request@cs.indiana.edu using -f Received: from moose.cs.indiana.edu by hmrc.kines.umich.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA23566; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 11:39:12 -0400 Received: from grouchy.cs.indiana.edu (root@grouchy.cs.indiana.edu [129.79.252.109]) by moose.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/IUCS_2.18) with ESMTP id KAA26182 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 10:39:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from moose.cs.indiana.edu (kinzler@moose.cs.indiana.edu [129.79.252.123]) by grouchy.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/IUCS_2.18) with ESMTP id KAA05411 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 10:39:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (from kinzler@localhost) by moose.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/IUCS_2.18) id KAA26169; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 10:39:09 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 10:39:09 -0500 (EST) From: Steve Kinzler Message-Id: <199808181539.KAA26169@moose.cs.indiana.edu> To: faces@cs.indiana.edu Subject: Re: Faces-enabled clients References: Errors-To: faces-request@cs.indiana.edu Sent 18Aug98 from kellings@hl.telia.no to faces@cs.indiana.edu +---------- Faces-enabled clients ---------- | Does anybody have a reference to a Web resource where I can find a list | of faces-enabled mail/news-clients (I know of XEmacs/Gnus, which I am | using myself). The Faces Archive at http://www.cs.indiana.edu/ftp/faces/ is exactly what you want. If anyone has updates for this page, please let me know. -- from the brain of Steve Kinzler /o)\ kinzler@cs.indiana.edu an organ with a mind of its own \(o/ (734)669-7204 http://www.cs.indiana.edu/hyplan/kinzler.html Unbeknown Pliocene / singsong wheedle reinstate / scattergood loris. From faces-request Fri Sep 4 14:18:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: from moose.cs.indiana.edu (kinzler@moose.cs.indiana.edu [129.79.252.123]) by grouchy.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/IUCS_2.18) with ESMTP id OAA05125 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 14:18:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (from kinzler@localhost) by moose.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/IUCS_2.18) id OAA20863 for faces-distrib; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 14:18:09 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: moose.cs.indiana.edu: kinzler set sender to faces-request@cs.indiana.edu using -f Received: from moose.cs.indiana.edu by hmrc.kines.umich.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA09347; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 14:06:01 -0400 Received: from grouchy.cs.indiana.edu (root@grouchy.cs.indiana.edu [129.79.252.109]) by moose.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/IUCS_2.18) with ESMTP id NAA17104 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 13:05:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from moose.cs.indiana.edu (root@moose.cs.indiana.edu [129.79.254.191]) by grouchy.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/IUCS_2.18) with ESMTP id NAA03587 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 13:05:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from spanner.eng.cam.ac.uk (root@spanner.eng.cam.ac.uk [129.169.8.9]) by moose.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/IUCS_2.18) with ESMTP id NAA17092 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 13:05:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from club.eng.cam.ac.uk (via tjat2@club.eng.cam.ac.uk [129.169.16.2]) by spanner.eng.cam.ac.uk with SMTP id TAA19766 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 19:05:41 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 19:05:40 +0100 (BST) From: "T.J.A. Thurman" X-Sender: tjat2@club.eng.cam.ac.uk To: faces@cs.indiana.edu Subject: Making the picons database distributed Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Errors-To: faces-request@cs.indiana.edu Just an idea I was turning over and wondered what people thought... It could be worthwhile to store (parts of) the picons DB in some distributed format. Remember that many years ago the Internet's host names table was stored in a standard text file, which grew into the distributed DNS we have now? Similarly, it might be useful to have the option of keeping picons for a particular site on a machine at that site. The WWW may as well be harnessed to do this. The picon for the user foo@bar.com could be stored, for example, at http://www.bar.com/0picons/users/com/bar/foo/face.gif and the "unknown" picon for the same domain would then be found at http://www.bar.com/0picons/domains/com/bar/unknown/face.gif Note: 1. I suggested "0picons" because that name is unlikely to be used anywhere else ("picons" could be a directory discussing picons as a subject, for example). 2. The reduplication of the address in the URL allows sites which already have a picons database merely to symlink "0picons" to /usr/lib/picons. (Such a site could, of course, also be used as a local mirror of the whole database for local machines.) 3. It might be more sensible to remove the "users"/"domains" part of the address. However, this may conflict with the symlink benefits mentioned above. 4. Naming the host "www" would save trouble in setting up. It would have been elegant to standardise on a name such as "picons", but this might delay acceptance. 5. Of the three formats widely used for picons, it may be best to standardise on GIF for these purposes. Only GIF and XPM can subsume the other two, and XPM is not widely supported by browsers (AFAIK). I'd suggest the order of looking for a picon would then be as follows: 1. check local databases, as discussed in the Picons FAQ 2. check the local site, as above 3. check the Picons Search Engine. Naturally, this sort of thing needs to exist in widely available mailers in order to gain widespread acceptance. The availability of the source for Netscape, and mozilla.org's acceptance of improvements, provides an interesting opportunity for this. Any thoughts? Thomas Thomas Thurman, Sidney Sussex College, | Any attempt to brew coffee with a Cambridge. CB2 3HU | tjat2@cam.ac.uk | teapot should result in the error http://www.sid.cam.ac.uk/~tjat2/ | ><> | code "418 I'm a teapot". --RFC2324 From faces-request Sat Sep 5 14:13:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: from moose.cs.indiana.edu (kinzler@moose.cs.indiana.edu [129.79.252.123]) by grouchy.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/IUCS_2.18) with ESMTP id OAA14386 for ; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 14:13:28 -0500 (EST) Received: (from kinzler@localhost) by moose.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/IUCS_2.18) id OAA25228 for faces-distrib; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 14:13:28 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: moose.cs.indiana.edu: kinzler set sender to faces-request@cs.indiana.edu using -f Received: from moose.cs.indiana.edu by hmrc.kines.umich.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id IAA13397; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 08:32:46 -0400 Received: from grouchy.cs.indiana.edu (root@grouchy.cs.indiana.edu [129.79.254.195]) by moose.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/IUCS_2.18) with ESMTP id HAA16143 for ; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 07:32:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from moose.cs.indiana.edu (root@moose.cs.indiana.edu [129.79.252.123]) by grouchy.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/IUCS_2.18) with ESMTP id HAA08112 for ; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 07:32:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailc.telia.com (root@mailc.telia.com [194.22.190.4]) by moose.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/IUCS_2.18) with ESMTP id HAA16139 for ; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 07:32:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from d1o204.telia.com (root@d1o204.telia.com [195.204.238.241]) by mailc.telia.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA25846; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 14:32:34 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from ellingsen.dyn.ml.org (root@t8o204p45.telia.com [195.204.239.225]) by d1o204.telia.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA07676; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 14:32:32 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from kellings@localhost) by ellingsen.dyn.ml.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA00557; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 14:32:18 +0200 Original-Sender: kellings@hl.telia.no To: "T.J.A. Thurman" Cc: faces@cs.indiana.edu Subject: Re: Making the picons database distributed References: X-Url: http://ellingsen.home.ml.org/ Mail-Copies-To: never Organization: The Church of XEmacs X-Face: 2nmhSqC#uKZMez_vZ5dd(]_w,y8B{,G>$2+MoI72o!D;"WdJZY'MKE0BJoyq#E$j;9!'"@< almkDf@@H_d/\b4{aD7s;biEuvbjjd/::C0u?c.~*sxf(#=F<^Vlxqe}]COl@kHx}\] Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.108) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Kristian Ellingsen Date: 05 Sep 1998 14:32:18 +0200 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Lines: 17 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.6.42/XEmacs 20.4 - "Emerald" Errors-To: faces-request@cs.indiana.edu * T. J. A. Thurman | Naturally, this sort of thing needs to exist in widely available mailers | in order to gain widespread acceptance. Yes, I agree. If the 'faces feature' is added to Microsoft Internet Explorer, 'cs.indiana.edu' will be overloaded, and a distributed system would be preferable. One should have thought that 'faces' support would have been added to MS-IE and NS-Navigator ages ago, have anybody in the 'faces team' tried to talk to them? After all, faces makes Usenet a more enjoyable place. -- KRISTIAN ELLINGSEN, +47 905 13 552 http://ellingsen.home.ml.org/ mailto:kellings@online.no /\..Life is difficult because it is non-linear../\ From faces-request Sun Sep 6 15:17:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: from moose.cs.indiana.edu (kinzler@moose.cs.indiana.edu [129.79.252.123]) by grouchy.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/IUCS_2.18) with ESMTP id PAA22932 for ; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 15:17:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (from kinzler@localhost) by moose.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/IUCS_2.18) id PAA09410 for faces-distrib; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 15:17:52 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: moose.cs.indiana.edu: kinzler set sender to faces-request@cs.indiana.edu using -f Received: from moose.cs.indiana.edu by hmrc.kines.umich.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id DAA17584; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 03:00:24 -0400 Received: from grouchy.cs.indiana.edu (root@grouchy.cs.indiana.edu [129.79.254.195]) by moose.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/IUCS_2.18) with ESMTP id CAA10737 for ; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 02:00:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from moose.cs.indiana.edu (root@moose.cs.indiana.edu [129.79.252.123]) by grouchy.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/IUCS_2.18) with ESMTP id CAA25584 for ; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 02:00:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from elysium.uwa.edu.au (root@elysium.uwa.edu.au [130.95.128.2]) by moose.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/IUCS_2.18) with ESMTP id CAA10733 for ; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 02:00:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from ares.uwa.edu.au (root@ares.uwa.edu.au [130.95.128.13]) by elysium.uwa.edu.au (8.8.7/8.8.0) with ESMTP id OAA28247; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 14:44:19 +0800 (WST) Received: from cygnus.uwa.edu.au (root@cygnusl.uwa.edu.au [130.95.128.5]) by ares.uwa.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA21662; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 14:44:19 +0800 Received: from chrysanthemum.localdomain (root@dial209.cygnus.uwa.edu.au [203.24.97.209]) by cygnus.uwa.edu.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA24114; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 14:44:14 +0800 (WST) Received: from chrysanthemum.localdomain (mayd@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chrysanthemum.localdomain (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA13652; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 14:39:47 +0800 (WST) (envelope-from mayd@chrysanthemum.localdomain) Message-Id: <199809060639.OAA13652@chrysanthemum.localdomain> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Kristian Ellingsen cc: "T.J.A. Thurman" , faces@cs.indiana.edu From: "David May, at a FreeBSD 2.2.6 site, somewhere in the Outback" Reply-to: mayd@cygnus.uwa.edu.au Subject: Re: Making the picons database distributed In-reply-to: Your message of "05 Sep 1998 14:32:18 +0200." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 06 Sep 1998 14:39:47 +0800 Original-Sender: mayd@cygnus.uwa.edu.au Errors-To: faces-request@cs.indiana.edu I am glad you said this and I entirely agree. The Internet has become too serious in recent times. Faces do make it more enjoyable (and that is one reason why I use the exmh mail agent).It would be nice if faces were more widely supported. I downloaded the entire faces database a few years ago. That was a rather large amount of data to FTP. It occupies a sizeable chunk of disk space too. The database gets more out of date each day as there does not seem to be a convenient way for me to keep it current. It would be nice to be able to get updates to the picons database from time-to-time, e.g. via mailing list or CVSUP. Even better, would be the ability to retrieve faces in the same way that PGP public keys can be retrieve as needed from public online databases via HTTP protocol, or via finger protocol from a .plan file. -- David May | mailto:mayd@cygnus.uwa.edu.au | Finger for | finger:mayd@cygnus.uwa.edu.au | PGP Public Key | http://cygnus.uwa.edu.au/~mayd | ``We are so used to thinking in terms of the `progress' of science that it is hard for us to remember that certain matters were better understood one hundred years ago.'' Robert Hermann, in introduction to Felix Klein, Development of Mathematics in the 19th Century. From faces-request Mon Sep 7 18:08:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: from moose.cs.indiana.edu (kinzler@moose.cs.indiana.edu [129.79.254.191]) by grouchy.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/IUCS_2.18) with ESMTP id SAA06421 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 18:08:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (from kinzler@localhost) by moose.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/IUCS_2.18) id SAA07198 for faces-distrib; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 18:08:57 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: moose.cs.indiana.edu: kinzler set sender to faces-request@cs.indiana.edu using -f Received: from moose.cs.indiana.edu by hmrc.kines.umich.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA20415; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 16:48:32 -0400 Received: from grouchy.cs.indiana.edu (root@grouchy.cs.indiana.edu [129.79.252.109]) by moose.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/IUCS_2.18) with ESMTP id PAA10132 for ; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 15:48:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from moose.cs.indiana.edu (root@moose.cs.indiana.edu [129.79.252.123]) by grouchy.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/IUCS_2.18) with ESMTP id PAA23471 for ; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 15:48:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from deputy.nyc.deshaw.com (deputy.nyc.deshaw.com [149.77.15.3]) by moose.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/IUCS_2.18) with ESMTP id PAA10128 for ; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 15:48:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from msnyc4.nyc.deshaw.com (msnyc4.nyc.deshaw.com [149.77.10.45]) by deputy.nyc.deshaw.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/2.0.kim) with ESMTP id QAA20193; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 16:48:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by msnyc4.nyc.deshaw.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 16:47:59 -0400 Message-ID: <204518DD0210D211BDD70060083606C60E3975@msnyc4.nyc.deshaw.com> From: "Harrington, Paul" To: "'mayd@cygnus.uwa.edu.au'" , Kristian Ellingsen Cc: "T.J.A. Thurman" , faces@cs.indiana.edu Subject: RE: Making the picons database distributed Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 16:47:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Errors-To: faces-request@cs.indiana.edu what about putting it into LDAP? I have been very impressed with how the protocol is so versatile and the sdk so easy to use. I have not used the replication features of slapd + slurpd but it would seem easier than building new infrastructure. > David May, at a FreeBSD 2.2.6 site, somewhere in the Outback pjjH, typing on an NT box in a tall building in the middle of Manhattan From faces-request Mon Sep 7 18:17:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: from moose.cs.indiana.edu (kinzler@moose.cs.indiana.edu [129.79.252.123]) by grouchy.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/IUCS_2.18) with ESMTP id SAA06600 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 18:17:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (from kinzler@localhost) by moose.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/IUCS_2.18) id SAA07402 for faces-distrib; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 18:17:55 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: moose.cs.indiana.edu: kinzler set sender to faces-request@cs.indiana.edu using -f Received: from moose.cs.indiana.edu by hmrc.kines.umich.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id FAA22973; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 05:00:23 -0400 Received: from grouchy.cs.indiana.edu (root@grouchy.cs.indiana.edu [129.79.254.195]) by moose.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/IUCS_2.18) with ESMTP id EAA29842 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 04:00:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from moose.cs.indiana.edu (root@moose.cs.indiana.edu [129.79.252.123]) by grouchy.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/IUCS_2.18) with ESMTP id EAA20773 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 04:00:20 -0500 (EST) From: steve_kilbane@cegelecproj.co.uk Received: from cegelecproj.co.uk (ganymede.cegelecproj.co.uk [194.216.105.6]) by moose.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/IUCS_2.18) with SMTP id EAA29838 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 04:00:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from vampire.cegelecproj.co.uk (cerberus.cegelecproj.co.uk) by cegelecproj.co.uk (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA20274; Mon, 7 Sep 98 09:59:47 BST Received: from spectre.cegelecproj.co.uk (spectre.cegelecproj.co.uk [172.16.34.71]) by vampire.cegelecproj.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id JAA00055 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 09:59:46 +0100 (BST) Received: by spectre.cegelecproj.co.uk(Lotus SMTP MTA SMTP v4.6 (462.2 9-3-1997)) id 80256678.0031A848 ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 10:02:23 +0100 X-Lotus-Fromdomain: CEGELECPROJ To: faces@cs.indiana.edu Message-Id: <80256678.0031906B.00@spectre.cegelecproj.co.uk> Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 10:02:18 +0100 Subject: Re: Making the picons database distributed Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Errors-To: faces-request@cs.indiana.edu On 06/09/98 07:39:47 David May, at a FreeBSD 2.2.6 site, somewhere in the Outback wrote: > I am glad you said this and I entirely agree. The Internet has become too > serious in recent times. Faces do make it more enjoyable (and that is one > reason why I use the exmh mail agent).It would be nice if faces were more > widely supported. Too true; I've recently had to move to a Notes system, and I miss my faces! [pout pout] > I downloaded the entire faces database a few years ago. That was a rather > large amount of data to FTP. It occupies a sizeable chunk of disk space too. > The database gets more out of date each day as there does not seem to be a > convenient way for me to keep it current. To be honest, I only used the normal database for the company/country picons. Almost every real face displayed came from an X-Face header or (more likely) my hand-assembled database snarfed from others' web pages. I'm aware of exactly one instance where I received mail from someone who was already in the database. For distributed systems, HTTP is definitely the protocol to use, but I'd question whether it should transform the address into a search path as was suggested. The reason for this is that if someone's address is variable, you might send out several requests to the server before finding a suitable image. Think what effect spam would have... We have a home-grown system where, which serves faces to Wintel users. They run a program which scans their POP3 mailbox and retrieves addresses, and sends these addresses verbatim to a CGI script on the faces server. The server does the hunt for a suitable image, and returns it (in Windows BMP format, for ease of display). The CGI script is guaranteed to return a suitable image on the first try, so that the client only ever has to send one request per address. One advantage of using a CGI process rather than a simple fetch is that the local server could pass the request onto a more suitable one, in DNS fashion, always assuming that there was some way of deciding where to send it. The disadvantage, of course, is that it's more vunerable to run a CGI process than just serving plain files. Finally, in addition to fancy servers, I see nothing wrong with distributing the faces database by the simple addition of a different header: X-Face-URL: http://www.example.com/faces/com/example/user.gif steve PS if you want to get bizarre, you could always have a faces.* USENET hierarchy, with articles containing updates/additions to the database.... From faces-request Tue Sep 8 07:00:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: from moose.cs.indiana.edu (kinzler@moose.cs.indiana.edu [129.79.254.191]) by grouchy.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/IUCS_2.18) with ESMTP id HAA05685 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 07:00:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (from kinzler@localhost) by moose.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/IUCS_2.18) id HAA06626 for faces-distrib; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 07:00:16 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: moose.cs.indiana.edu: kinzler set sender to faces-request@cs.indiana.edu using -f Received: from moose.cs.indiana.edu by hmrc.kines.umich.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id DAA27599; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 03:30:25 -0400 Received: from grouchy.cs.indiana.edu (root@grouchy.cs.indiana.edu [129.79.254.195]) by moose.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/IUCS_2.18) with ESMTP id CAA20538 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 02:30:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from moose.cs.indiana.edu (root@moose.cs.indiana.edu [129.79.254.191]) by grouchy.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/IUCS_2.18) with ESMTP id CAA29788 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 02:30:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from cledf.edf.fr (cledf.edf.fr [192.54.193.133]) by moose.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/IUCS_2.18) with ESMTP id CAA20527 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 02:30:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from clserv02.edf.fr (clserv02.edf.fr [130.98.118.118]) by cledf.edf.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id JAA08834; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 09:29:08 +0200 Received: from cli51ak.der.edf.fr (cli51ak.der.edf.fr [130.98.32.66]) by clserv02.edf.fr (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA08077; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 09:29:08 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from der.edf.fr by cli51ak.der.edf.fr (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA26284; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 09:30:54 +0100 Original-Sender: glazman@der.edf.fr Message-ID: <35F4EB3E.33CE98C5@der.edf.fr> Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 09:30:54 +0100 From: Daniel Glazman Organization: EDF - DER X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5b1 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: fr,sv MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "T.J.A. Thurman" CC: faces@cs.indiana.edu Subject: Re: Making the picons database distributed References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: faces-request@cs.indiana.edu T.J.A. Thurman wrote: > > Just an idea I was turning over and wondered what people thought... > > It could be worthwhile to store (parts of) the picons DB in some > distributed format. The opportunity and feasability of this idea has already been discussed in 1992. I remember that some of us (including myself) faced a barrage fire from the IETF saying : we will never accept that because 1) faces are ugly b) it will slow down MUAs c) it will considerably increase traffic d) do you really think I want to see the face of the neird who sent me a mail yesterday ?-) points a and d are just stupid. I have been using my own faces-enabled MUA during 5 years and nothing is more visual than a face or a logo. points b and c are a real concern. I have developed in 1991, as part of the Meuf package, a daemon based on the finger daemon able to answer a picon to a request on a given port. A call issued by a MUA, on user's request, is for me an implementable solution. An automatic retrieval of faces for all incoming messages is IMHO a bandwidth murder. From faces-request Tue Sep 8 07:05:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: from moose.cs.indiana.edu (kinzler@moose.cs.indiana.edu [129.79.252.123]) by grouchy.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/IUCS_2.18) with ESMTP id HAA05847 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 07:05:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (from kinzler@localhost) by moose.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/IUCS_2.18) id HAA06798 for faces-distrib; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 07:05:52 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: moose.cs.indiana.edu: kinzler set sender to faces-request@cs.indiana.edu using -f Received: from moose.cs.indiana.edu by hmrc.kines.umich.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id DAA27617; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 03:36:58 -0400 Received: from grouchy.cs.indiana.edu (root@grouchy.cs.indiana.edu [129.79.252.109]) by moose.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/IUCS_2.18) with ESMTP id CAA20952 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 02:36:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from moose.cs.indiana.edu (root@moose.cs.indiana.edu [129.79.252.123]) by grouchy.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/IUCS_2.18) with ESMTP id CAA00376 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 02:36:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from cledf.edf.fr (cledf.edf.fr [192.54.193.133]) by moose.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/IUCS_2.18) with ESMTP id CAA20947 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 02:36:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from clserv02.edf.fr (clserv02.edf.fr [130.98.118.118]) by cledf.edf.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id JAA09856; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 09:36:17 +0200 Received: from cli51ak.der.edf.fr (cli51ak.der.edf.fr [130.98.32.66]) by clserv02.edf.fr (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA09301; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 09:36:17 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from der.edf.fr by cli51ak.der.edf.fr (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA26289; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 09:38:04 +0100 Original-Sender: glazman@der.edf.fr Message-ID: <35F4ECEC.68724B94@der.edf.fr> Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 09:38:04 +0100 From: Daniel Glazman Organization: EDF - DER X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5b1 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: fr,sv MIME-Version: 1.0 To: steve_kilbane@cegelecproj.co.uk CC: faces@cs.indiana.edu Subject: Re: Making the picons database distributed References: <80256678.0031906B.00@spectre.cegelecproj.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: faces-request@cs.indiana.edu steve_kilbane@cegelecproj.co.uk wrote: > Finally, in addition to fancy servers, I see nothing wrong with > distributing the faces database by the simple addition of a different > header: > X-Face-URL: http://www.example.com/faces/com/example/user.gif In 1991, picons were only XBM and the compface algo was efficient enough to allow picon integration in X-Face. In 1992, XPM icons stopped that and the X-Face-URL has been proposed....and abandoned because it implies 1) HTTP implementation in MUAs 2) wait until you see the face of the sender > PS if you want to get bizarre, you could always have a faces.* USENET > hierarchy, with articles containing updates/additions to the database.... This is not bizarre, this is impossible. Articles are thrown to /dev/null when they get too old ("too old" is a value set by the newsmaster). Futhermore, such a call for discussion will never ever reach a consensus allowing a call for vote ! From faces-request Tue Sep 8 07:11:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: from moose.cs.indiana.edu (kinzler@moose.cs.indiana.edu [129.79.254.191]) by grouchy.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/IUCS_2.18) with ESMTP id HAA06013 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 07:11:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (from kinzler@localhost) by moose.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/IUCS_2.18) id HAA06986 for faces-distrib; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 07:11:05 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: moose.cs.indiana.edu: kinzler set sender to faces-request@cs.indiana.edu using -f Received: from moose.cs.indiana.edu by hmrc.kines.umich.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id FAA27915; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 05:06:23 -0400 Received: from grouchy.cs.indiana.edu (root@grouchy.cs.indiana.edu [129.79.254.195]) by moose.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/IUCS_2.18) with ESMTP id EAA25693 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 04:06:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from moose.cs.indiana.edu (root@moose.cs.indiana.edu [129.79.254.191]) by grouchy.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/IUCS_2.18) with ESMTP id EAA02265 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 04:06:20 -0500 (EST) From: steve_kilbane@cegelecproj.co.uk Received: from cegelecproj.co.uk (ganymede.cegelecproj.co.uk [194.216.105.6]) by moose.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/IUCS_2.18) with SMTP id EAA25689 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 04:06:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from vampire.cegelecproj.co.uk (cerberus.cegelecproj.co.uk) by cegelecproj.co.uk (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA26359; Tue, 8 Sep 98 10:05:33 BST Received: from spectre.cegelecproj.co.uk (spectre.cegelecproj.co.uk [172.16.34.71]) by vampire.cegelecproj.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id KAA04129 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 10:05:31 +0100 (BST) Received: by spectre.cegelecproj.co.uk(Lotus SMTP MTA SMTP v4.6 (462.2 9-3-1997)) id 80256679.00322F21 ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 10:08:08 +0100 X-Lotus-Fromdomain: CEGELECPROJ To: faces@cs.indiana.edu Message-Id: <80256679.0030E03E.00@spectre.cegelecproj.co.uk> Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 10:08:06 +0100 Subject: Re: Making the picons database distributed Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Errors-To: faces-request@cs.indiana.edu On 08/09/98 09:38:04 Daniel Glazman wrote: > In 1991, picons were only XBM and the compface algo was efficient enough > to allow picon integration in X-Face. In 1992, XPM icons stopped that and > the X-Face-URL has been proposed....and abandoned because it implies > > 1) HTTP implementation in MUAs > 2) wait until you see the face of the sender Well, 1's increasingly common anyway, what with the tendency to have active http links in mail messages. But it doesn't need to be interpreted directly by the MUA - xfaces could process it. It's just an alternative to designing a server. 2 isn't *that* much of a problem, if the choice is between waiting while a background process fetches a message, and not seeing a face at all. Again, the advance of OS technology has made this more feasible. However, Paul Harrington's suggestion for using LDAP is also a possibility - but I suspect that there will be more resistance to a publicly-available LDAP server at most sites, than to a web server. This is partially because web servers are more understood, and partially because an LDAP server is more likely to contain internal information too. An added aspect is that an external interface to an LDAP server is most likely to be a web server anyway.... > This is not bizarre, this is impossible. Articles are thrown to /dev/null > when they get too old ("too old" is a value set by the newsmaster). I know; but it's possible to have a "downstream" site that is really just your local faces server, so that you're using NNTP as the transport and update mechanism, not the storage mechanism. But it's not really a sensible suggestion. > Futhermore, such a call for discussion will never ever reach a consensus > allowing a call for vote ! True (and nor should it...) steve From faces-request Tue Sep 8 10:27:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: from moose.cs.indiana.edu (kinzler@moose.cs.indiana.edu [129.79.254.191]) by grouchy.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/IUCS_2.18) with ESMTP id KAA10158 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 10:27:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (from kinzler@localhost) by moose.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/IUCS_2.18) id KAA18562 for faces-distrib; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 10:27:23 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: moose.cs.indiana.edu: kinzler set sender to faces-request@cs.indiana.edu using -f Received: from moose.cs.indiana.edu by hmrc.kines.umich.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA29824; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 10:59:49 -0400 Received: from grouchy.cs.indiana.edu (root@grouchy.cs.indiana.edu [129.79.252.109]) by moose.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/IUCS_2.18) with ESMTP id JAA16741 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 09:59:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from moose.cs.indiana.edu (root@moose.cs.indiana.edu [129.79.252.123]) by grouchy.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/IUCS_2.18) with ESMTP id JAA09585 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 09:59:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from pedigree.cs.ubc.ca (root@pedigree.cs.ubc.ca [142.103.6.50]) by moose.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/IUCS_2.18) with ESMTP id JAA16733 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 09:59:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from cascade.cs.ubc.ca (cascade.cs.ubc.ca [142.103.7.7]) by pedigree.cs.ubc.ca (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id HAA28271; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 07:59:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: (edmonds@localhost) by cascade.cs.ubc.ca (8.8.5/8.6.12) id HAA12431; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 07:59:40 -0700 (PDT) To: faces@cs.indiana.edu Subject: Re: Making the picons database distributed References: <80256678.0031906B.00@spectre.cegelecproj.co.uk> <35F4ECEC.68724B94@der.edf.fr> X-Operating-System: SunOS 5.6 Generic_105181-05 X-Homepage: http://www.cs.ubc.ca/spider/edmonds X-PGP-Ox979D0B09: A9 3E 1E CB 86 09 B1 E9 3C 1A 0E F6 49 F9 5D 99 From: Brian Edmonds Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.108) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: 08 Sep 1998 07:59:35 -0700 In-Reply-To: Daniel Glazman's message of "Tue, 08 Sep 1998 09:38:04 +0100" Message-ID: <373ea24pm0.fsf@cascade.cs.ubc.ca> Lines: 14 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/XEmacs 20.4 - "Emerald" Errors-To: faces-request@cs.indiana.edu Daniel Glazman writes: >> PS if you want to get bizarre, you could always have a faces.* USENET >> hierarchy > This is not bizarre, this is impossible. Actually, it doesn't strike me as either bizarre or impossible. It could be an entirely reasonable *update* mechanism, as the original poster suggested. Sites just have to feed faces.* into a bot that recognizes faces in the article stream and updates the database. The biggest problem would be figuring out how to deal with authentication so that some vandal doesn't replace all the pics in the database with Barney... Brian. From faces-request Thu Sep 10 07:16:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: from moose.cs.indiana.edu (kinzler@moose.cs.indiana.edu [129.79.254.191]) by grouchy.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/IUCS_2.18) with ESMTP id HAA16087 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 07:16:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (from kinzler@localhost) by moose.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/IUCS_2.18) id HAA23653 for faces-distrib; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 07:16:08 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: moose.cs.indiana.edu: kinzler set sender to faces-request@cs.indiana.edu using -f Received: from moose.cs.indiana.edu by hmrc.kines.umich.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id UAA08261; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 20:44:46 -0400 Received: from grouchy.cs.indiana.edu (root@grouchy.cs.indiana.edu [129.79.254.195]) by moose.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/IUCS_2.18) with ESMTP id TAA26186 for ; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 19:44:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from moose.cs.indiana.edu (root@moose.cs.indiana.edu [129.79.254.191]) by grouchy.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/IUCS_2.18) with ESMTP id TAA18921 for ; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 19:44:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from kodis.jagunet.com (kodis.jaguNET.com [206.156.208.48]) by moose.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/IUCS_2.18) with ESMTP id TAA26132 for ; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 19:42:27 -0500 (EST) Received: (from kodis@localhost) by kodis.jagunet.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA21029; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 20:36:11 -0400 Message-ID: <19980909203611.A21007@jagunet.com> Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 20:36:11 -0400 From: John Kodis To: faces@cs.indiana.edu Subject: Re: Making the picons database distributed Reply-To: kodis@jagunet.com References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1 In-Reply-To: ; from Kristian Ellingsen on Sat, Sep 05, 1998 at 02:32:18PM +0200 Errors-To: faces-request@cs.indiana.edu On Sat, Sep 05, 1998 at 02:32:18PM +0200, Kristian Ellingsen wrote: > One should have thought that 'faces' support would have been added to > MS-IE and NS-Navigator ages ago, have anybody in the 'faces team' tried > to talk to them? After all, faces makes Usenet a more enjoyable place. Now that Netscape has released the source code for Mozilla, all that is required is a sufficently skilled and motivated hacker with a little spare time on his hands. From faces-request Thu Sep 10 08:17:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: from moose.cs.indiana.edu (kinzler@moose.cs.indiana.edu [129.79.254.191]) by grouchy.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/IUCS_2.18) with ESMTP id IAA17232 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 08:17:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (from kinzler@localhost) by moose.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/IUCS_2.18) id IAA29191 for faces-distrib; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 08:17:01 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: moose.cs.indiana.edu: kinzler set sender to faces-request@cs.indiana.edu using -f Received: from moose.cs.indiana.edu by hmrc.kines.umich.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA13372; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 09:15:30 -0400 Received: from grouchy.cs.indiana.edu (root@grouchy.cs.indiana.edu [129.79.254.195]) by moose.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/IUCS_2.18) with ESMTP id IAA29134 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 08:15:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from moose.cs.indiana.edu (root@moose.cs.indiana.edu [129.79.252.123]) by grouchy.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/IUCS_2.18) with ESMTP id IAA17201 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 08:15:24 -0500 (EST) From: steve_kilbane@cegelecproj.co.uk Received: from cegelecproj.co.uk (ganymede.cegelecproj.co.uk [194.216.105.6]) by moose.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/IUCS_2.18) with SMTP id IAA29126 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 08:15:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from vampire.cegelecproj.co.uk (cerberus.cegelecproj.co.uk) by cegelecproj.co.uk (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA11465; Thu, 10 Sep 98 14:14:48 BST Received: from spectre.cegelecproj.co.uk (spectre.cegelecproj.co.uk [172.16.34.71]) by vampire.cegelecproj.co.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id OAA15736; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 14:14:47 +0100 (BST) Received: by spectre.cegelecproj.co.uk(Lotus SMTP MTA SMTP v4.6 (462.2 9-3-1997)) id 8025667B.00490049 ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 14:17:22 +0100 X-Lotus-Fromdomain: CEGELECPROJ To: kodis@jagunet.com Cc: faces@cs.indiana.edu Message-Id: <8025667B.0048C1D8.00@spectre.cegelecproj.co.uk> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 14:17:19 +0100 Subject: Re: Making the picons database distributed Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Errors-To: faces-request@cs.indiana.edu On 10/09/98 01:36:11 John Kodis wrote: > Now that Netscape has released the source code for Mozilla, all that > is required is a sufficently skilled and motivated hacker with a > little spare time on his hands. and a little spare space on his disk; I downloaded the sources a short while ago for this very purpose, and was somewhat panicked by the fact that the gzipped tar distribution is 16.5MB. My disk now spins unevenly, due to this large blob of bits on one side. :-) So far, I haven't had the time to look deeply, but when I do have the time, I probably won't have the nerve. :-) steve From faces-request Fri Sep 11 12:08:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: from moose.cs.indiana.edu (kinzler@moose.cs.indiana.edu [129.79.252.123]) by grouchy.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/IUCS_2.18) with ESMTP id MAA06188 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 12:08:49 -0500 (EST) Received: (from kinzler@localhost) by moose.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/IUCS_2.18) id MAA19515 for faces-distrib; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 12:08:49 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: moose.cs.indiana.edu: kinzler set sender to faces-request@cs.indiana.edu using -f Received: from moose.cs.indiana.edu by hmrc.kines.umich.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA09579; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 13:05:36 -0400 Received: from grouchy.cs.indiana.edu (root@grouchy.cs.indiana.edu [129.79.252.109]) by moose.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/IUCS_2.18) with ESMTP id MAA19291 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 12:05:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from moose.cs.indiana.edu (root@moose.cs.indiana.edu [129.79.254.191]) by grouchy.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/IUCS_2.18) with ESMTP id MAA06081 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 12:05:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailc.telia.com (root@mailc.telia.com [194.22.190.4]) by moose.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/IUCS_2.18) with ESMTP id MAA19270 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 12:05:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from d1o204.telia.com (root@d1o204.telia.com [195.204.238.241]) by mailc.telia.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA27535 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 19:04:28 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from ellingsen.dyn.ml.org (root@t8o204p16.telia.com [195.204.239.196]) by d1o204.telia.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA18599 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 22:08:58 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from ellingsen2.dyn.ml.org.ellingsen2.dyn.ml.org (kellings@ellingsen2.dyn.ml.org [192.168.1.2]) by ellingsen.dyn.ml.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA00480; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 17:12:04 +0200 Original-Sender: kellings@online.no To: faces@cs.indiana.edu Subject: Re: Making the picons database distributed References: <8025667B.0048C1D8.00@spectre.cegelecproj.co.uk> X-URL: http://ellingsen.home.ml.org/ Organization: The Church of XEmacs X-Face: 2nmhSqC#uKZMez_vZ5dd(]_w,y8B{,G>$2+MoI72o!D;"WdJZY'MKE0BJoyq#E$j;9!'"@< almkDf@@H_d/\b4{aD7s;biEuvbjjd/::C0u?c.~*sxf(#=F<^Vlxqe}]COl@kHx}\] Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.108) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Kristian Ellingsen Date: 10 Sep 1998 17:12:35 +0200 In-Reply-To: <8025667B.0048C1D8.00@spectre.cegelecproj.co.uk> Message-ID: Lines: 12 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.6.42/XEmacs 20.4 - "Emerald" X-Now-Reading: Jens Bjoerneboe's _Haiene_ Errors-To: faces-request@cs.indiana.edu * steve kilbane | (...) the gzipped tar distribution is 16.5MB. And it is just getting bigger and bigger ... Still, I'm glad it is available for downloading, so that those of us who aren't permanently connected to the Internet can enjoy faces. -- KRISTIAN ELLINGSEN, +47 905 13 552 http://ellingsen.home.ml.org/ mailto:kellings@online.no /\..Time sure flies when you don't know what you're doing../\ From faces-request Wed Oct 28 15:25:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: from moose.cs.indiana.edu (kinzler@moose.cs.indiana.edu [129.79.252.123]) by grouchy.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/IUCS_2.19) with ESMTP id PAA02213 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 15:25:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (from kinzler@localhost) by moose.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/IUCS_2.19) id PAA13374 for faces-distrib; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 15:25:14 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: moose.cs.indiana.edu: kinzler set sender to faces-request@cs.indiana.edu using -f Received: from moose.cs.indiana.edu by hmrc.kines.umich.edu (8.8.8+Sun/SMI-SVR4) id PAA24067; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 15:24:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from grouchy.cs.indiana.edu (root@grouchy.cs.indiana.edu [129.79.254.195]) by moose.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/IUCS_2.19) with ESMTP id PAA13283 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 15:23:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from moose.cs.indiana.edu (root@moose.cs.indiana.edu [129.79.252.123]) by grouchy.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/IUCS_2.19) with ESMTP id PAA02156 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 15:23:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from fate.eng.buffalo.edu (fate.eng.buffalo.edu [128.205.25.5]) by moose.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/IUCS_2.19) with ESMTP id PAA13238 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 15:22:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mahitha.eng.buffalo.edu (mahitha.eng.buffalo.edu [128.205.28.22]) by fate.eng.buffalo.edu (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id PAA13358 for <@fate.eng.buffalo.edu:faces@cs.indiana.edu>; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 15:20:40 -0500 (EST) Received: (from ccke@localhost) by mahitha.eng.buffalo.edu (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) id PAA01681 for faces@cs.indiana.edu; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 15:20:21 -0500 From: ccke@eng.buffalo.edu (Chih-Chung Ke) Message-Id: <199810282020.PAA01681@mahitha.eng.buffalo.edu> Subject: help To: faces@cs.indiana.edu Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 15:20:20 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: text Errors-To: faces-request@cs.indiana.edu Hi, Does anyone know where I can get a color face database? Thanks. Chih-Chung Ke From faces-request Wed Nov 25 17:52:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: from moose.cs.indiana.edu (moose.cs.indiana.edu [129.79.254.191]) by grouchy.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/IUCS_2.19) with ESMTP id RAA07074 for ; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 17:52:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (from kinzler@localhost) by moose.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/IUCS_2.19) id RAA05646 for faces-distrib; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 17:52:14 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: moose.cs.indiana.edu: kinzler set sender to faces-request@cs.indiana.edu using -f Received: from moose.cs.indiana.edu by hmrc.kines.umich.edu (8.8.8+Sun/SMI-SVR4) id RAA15476; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 17:23:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from grouchy.cs.indiana.edu (grouchy.cs.indiana.edu [129.79.254.195]) by moose.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/IUCS_2.19) with ESMTP id RAA04922 for ; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 17:23:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from moose.cs.indiana.edu (moose.cs.indiana.edu [129.79.252.123]) by grouchy.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/IUCS_2.19) with ESMTP id RAA06517 for ; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 17:23:09 -0500 (EST) From: hayden@pa.dec.com Received: from mail2.digital.com (mail2.digital.com [204.123.2.56]) by moose.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/IUCS_2.19) with ESMTP id RAA04919 for ; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 17:23:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from rowdy.pa.dec.com (rowdy.pa.dec.com [16.4.16.26]) by mail2.digital.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1/WV2.0b) with SMTP id OAA30599 for ; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 14:23:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by rowdy.pa.dec.com; id AA24378; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 14:23:07 -0800 Message-Id: <199811252223.AA24378@rowdy.pa.dec.com> To: faces@cs.indiana.edu Cc: hayden@pa.dec.com Subject: faces problems Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 14:23:06 -0800 X-Mts: smtp Errors-To: faces-request@cs.indiana.edu I've run into a number of problems in running faces 1.6.1 on Linux 2.1.139. The first appears to be in x11.c in start_tool() (the main loop?). There the timeout for select is initialized outside a for loop, apparently with the assumption that select will not modify the timeout. Unfortunately, the call to select() appears to be doing just that. The timeout gets set to zeroed and faces starts using lots of CPU. The second problem is a segmentation fault in main.c: if (*community != (char) NULL) { s = rindex(community, '.') ; if (s == (char *) NULL) { STRCAT(strcat(t, "/"), community) ; community = "" ; s = "." ; } else { *s = '\0' ; STRCAT(strcat(t, "/"), s+1) ; } i = searchfacedb(b, facepath, community, user) ; *t = '\0' ; *s = '.' ; if (i) return(i) ; } What appears to be happening is that 's' is in some cases set to point to the constant string, ".". Later, the "*s = '.'" attempts to write to the constant string. --Mark