From chaynes Tue May 20 11:27:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by indra.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.5/IUCS.1.75) id LAA09165; Tue, 20 May 1997 11:27:45 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199705201627.LAA09165@indra.cs.indiana.edu> Reply-to: chaynes@cs.indiana.edu To: mmcc Subject: MMCC mailing list test Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 11:27:44 -0500 From: Christopher Haynes Due to an alias of mine, the last two test messages went through the old list. That's fixed, so this should be a real test that should show up in the archive. Cheers, Chris From chaynes Sun Jun 8 15:19:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: from moose.cs.indiana.edu by indra.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.5/IUCS.1.77) id PAA10584; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 15:19:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from cs.oberlin.edu by moose.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.5/IUCS.1.77) id PAA29243; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 15:19:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (rms@localhost) by cs.oberlin.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA29394; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 16:19:40 -0400 Date: Sun, 8 Jun 1997 16:19:40 -0400 Message-Id: <199706082019.QAA29394@cs.oberlin.edu> From: Richard Salter To: mmcc@cs.indiana.edu Subject: HtX-MMCC page I have installed a "HtX-MMCC Home Page" on the IU server to distribute all MMCC-related HtX material. It is at http://www.cs.indiana.edu/mmcc/htx I have also installed a link to it from the MMCC home page. Please note the compreshensive demo document, in 2 versions. This document can serve as a tutorial for now. The second version shows off some changes I have made to support frames. I'd appreciate any comments. Rich From chaynes Tue Jun 17 16:14:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: from moose.cs.indiana.edu by indra.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.5/IUCS.1.77) id QAA08247; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 16:14:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.iusb.edu by moose.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.5/IUCS.1.77) id QAA10833; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 16:14:46 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from nakita.iusb.edu (oit_ts1-32.iusb.edu [149.161.7.184]) by mail.iusb.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA09162 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 16:14:21 -0500 Message-Id: <199706172114.QAA09162@mail.iusb.edu> Comments: Authenticated sender is To: "Course C Groupl" Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 16:14:50 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Some Items for Discussion Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.52) In working on Module 4, the following questions have occurred to me. ===================================================================== 1) Code Examples: I've been creating JavaScript examples. Should I use Word Basic or VB Script code examples? A related style issue is: Should we keep JavaScript and VB code examples separate or should code examples always come in pairs? 2) Numbering examples and questions. I like the idea of numbering examples. This makes it easy to refer to the examples in the later text. How do the rest of you feel about this? Related Issue: Should questions be numbered? 3) IF statements. As I recall, there was some talk about not covering IF statements, but rather replacing a simple IF statement with an IF-ELSE statement. Upon further reflection, I think we want to do IF statements. I think students will not find a statement such as: if ( Str == "" ) document.write("Str is the null string"); else ; to be as understandable as if ( Str == "" ) document.write("Str is the null string"); ===================================================================== Let me know what you think. --John From chaynes Tue Jun 17 17:46:35 1997 Return-Path: Received: from moose.cs.indiana.edu by indra.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.5/IUCS.1.77) id RAA08493; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 17:46:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.iusb.edu by moose.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.5/IUCS.1.77) id RAA13976; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 17:46:33 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from nakita.iusb.edu (oit_ts1-32.iusb.edu [149.161.7.184]) by mail.iusb.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA10986 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 17:46:10 -0500 Message-Id: <199706172246.RAA10986@mail.iusb.edu> Comments: Authenticated sender is To: "Course C Groupl" Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 17:46:38 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Good Text Editor for HTX Source Files Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.52) I'm not sure what text editors you all are using to create HTX source files, but I have a recommendation if you're using a Windows 95 text editor and you're not completely happy with it. Check out UltraEdit, a $30 shareware editor. UltraEdit has lots of bells and whistles, but in terms of HTX file editing, consider the following: - Supports syntax highlighting, allowing HTX text, keywords and comments to be in different colors. (I modified the LaTeX setup to do this). - Will match braces, helping one to deal with those "input ran out while reading sequence" HTX compiler errors. - Has a "Tool configuration" feature that allows one to call the HTX compiler from inside the editorl - Converts back and forth from DOS to Unix text. The editor is very customizable, including keyboard commands. Get more info or download at http://www.idmcomp.com/ --John From chaynes Wed Jun 18 14:20:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: from moose.cs.indiana.edu by indra.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.5/IUCS.1.77) id OAA11550; Wed, 18 Jun 1997 14:20:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from indra.cs.indiana.edu by moose.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.5/IUCS.1.77) id OAA22094; Wed, 18 Jun 1997 14:20:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by indra.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.5/IUCS.1.77) id OAA11543; Wed, 18 Jun 1997 14:20:34 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199706181920.OAA11543@indra.cs.indiana.edu> To: jrusso@iusb.edu cc: "Course C Groupl" Subject: Re: Some Items for Discussion In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 17 Jun 1997 16:14:50 GMT." <199706172114.QAA09162@mail.iusb.edu> Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 14:20:31 -0500 From: Christopher Haynes > 1) Code Examples: > > I've been creating JavaScript examples. Should I use Word > Basic or VB Script code examples? > > A related style issue is: Should we keep JavaScript and > VB code examples separate or should code examples always come > in pairs? I'd keep them separate, but it would be nice to code both with an htx markup for the purpose. Then by setting an htx switch one could generate examples in one language or the other, or both. Rich, whatdaya think? John, I'd just do JavaScript right now until there's the htx technology for both. > 2) Numbering examples and questions. > > I like the idea of numbering examples. This makes it easy to refer > to the examples in the later text. How do the rest of you feel about > this? > > Related Issue: Should questions be numbered? Surely htx should handle the numbering. It's an htx style decision if it numbers. I also think numbers are a good idea. > 3) IF statements. > > As I recall, there was some talk about not covering IF statements, > but rather replacing a simple IF statement with an IF-ELSE > statement. Upon further reflection, I think we want to do IF > statements. I think students will not find a statement such as: > > if ( Str == "" ) > document.write("Str is the null string"); > else > ; > > to be as understandable as > > if ( Str == "" ) > document.write("Str is the null I agree. Cheers, Chris From chaynes Thu Jun 19 15:56:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: from moose.cs.indiana.edu by indra.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.5/IUCS.1.77) id PAA14771; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 15:56:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.iusb.edu by moose.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.5/IUCS.1.77) id PAA11076; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 15:55:58 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from nakita.iusb.edu (oit_ts1-03.iusb.edu [149.161.7.185]) by mail.iusb.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA09712 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 15:55:35 -0500 Message-Id: <199706192055.PAA09712@mail.iusb.edu> Comments: Authenticated sender is To: "Course C Groupl" Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 15:56:00 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: An Idea Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.52) I'm a great believer in showing students lots of code examples. Wouldn't it be nice if at least some of the code examples could be easily run, say by clicking on a graphic? This would not only allow students to verify the run-time behavior described in the narrative, it would make the lesson more interactive. Probably the best way to implement this would be via HTX (sorry Rich), but there might be other acceptable ways that would involve students doing some pasting of code on the browser screen. --John From chaynes Thu Jun 19 16:58:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: from moose.cs.indiana.edu by indra.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.5/IUCS.1.77) id QAA14944; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 16:58:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from indra.cs.indiana.edu by moose.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.5/IUCS.1.77) id QAA13155; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 16:57:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by indra.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.5/IUCS.1.77) id QAA14937; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 16:57:55 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199706192157.QAA14937@indra.cs.indiana.edu> To: jrusso@iusb.edu cc: "Course C Groupl" Subject: Re: An Idea In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 19 Jun 1997 15:56:00 GMT." <199706192055.PAA09712@mail.iusb.edu> Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 16:57:54 -0500 From: Christopher Haynes Fascinating idea. It should be possible eventually to ship code off to the Miracle system for experimentation, or run it directly. You're right that htx could well be used to markup segments of code that can be run at the press of a button. Richard, any thoughts on this? Cheers, Chris From chaynes Wed Jun 25 18:19:15 1997 Return-Path: Received: from moose.cs.indiana.edu by indra.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.5/IUCS.1.77) id SAA06271; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 18:19:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.iusb.edu by moose.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.5/IUCS.1.77) id SAA28134; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 18:19:13 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from nakita.iusb.edu (oit_ts1-07.iusb.edu [149.161.7.4]) by mail.iusb.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA00332 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 18:18:50 -0501 Message-Id: <199706252319.SAA00332@mail.iusb.edu> Comments: Authenticated sender is To: "Course C Groupl" Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 18:19:08 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: First Draft of Module 4 Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.52) I've finished a draft of Module 4 for you to look at. I've been doing my development on a PC, but believe I've got my Unix account set up correctly. Try browsing http://oit.iusb.edu/~jrusso/mmcc/module4.html I also have a number of suggestions for possible improvements in our MMCC style, and will send them in a separate mailing. Hope to hear from you. --John From chaynes Wed Jun 25 20:01:35 1997 Return-Path: Received: from moose.cs.indiana.edu by indra.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.5/IUCS.1.77) id UAA06553; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 20:01:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.iusb.edu by moose.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.5/IUCS.1.77) id UAA01379; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 20:01:31 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from nakita.iusb.edu (oit_ts1-07.iusb.edu [149.161.7.4]) by mail.iusb.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA00830 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 19:00:47 -0501 Message-Id: <199706260001.TAA00830@mail.iusb.edu> Comments: Authenticated sender is To: "Course C Groupl" Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 19:01:04 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Some Issues for Discussion Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.52) I also have some ideas for improving our MMCC modules. Perhaps we can discuss these some time. I'd be happy to drive down to Indianapolis again. I've divided the ideas/questions into stylistic and pedagogical. PEDAGOGICAL 1) When a student clicks on "Answer", it might be nice if the resulting screen shows the original question as well as the answer? 2) A "hint" button for students who get stuck on a question might be helpful for some of the harder questions. 3) Students should have an easy way to run code examples. (Repeated here for completeness). 4) Why not have a "next" button at the end of sections? This would make it a tad easier for students to go through the module. If we don't do this, I think there should be clearer indicators at the end of a section* to help students understand where they are in the lesson. 5) Don't we want to provide an easy way for students to MODIFY code? I believe our current strategy focuses on creating code from scratch. 6) JavaScript output can be done via document.write or alert (I feel there are some problems with both methods). We might want to adopt some "output standards". STYLISTIC 1) The MMCC logo takes up too much space when a module is first loaded. The question and answer graphics are also a bit large. 2) If two questions are asked "back to back", double bars result. 3) The default space above code examples seems excessive. --John From chaynes Thu Jun 26 10:20:37 1997 Return-Path: Received: from moose.cs.indiana.edu by indra.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.5/IUCS.1.77) id KAA09021; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 10:20:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from roatan.ucs.indiana.edu by moose.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.5/IUCS.1.77) id KAA24001; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 10:20:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from juliet.ucs.indiana.edu (juliet.ucs.indiana.edu [129.79.10.43]) by roatan.ucs.indiana.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5/1.13IUPO) with ESMTP id KAA27573; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 10:20:35 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gdweber@localhost) by juliet.ucs.indiana.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3/1.8shakes) id KAA13925; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 10:20:33 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 10:20:33 -0500 (EST) From: gregory weber Message-Id: <199706261520.KAA13925@juliet.ucs.indiana.edu> To: jrusso@iusb.edu CC: mmcc@cs.indiana.edu In-reply-to: <199706172114.QAA09162@mail.iusb.edu> (jrusso@iusb.edu) Subject: Re: Some Items for Discussion I, too, like the idea of numbering examples. As for numbering questions, it certainly makes it easier to refer to the question in the text, but do you plan to do that? In LaTeX, it is quite easy to have the examples numbered automatically, using a "figure" environment, and I presume something similar to this is available in HtX. If you change the order of examples, or you add or delete some examples, you don't have to worry about finding the references in the text and renumbering them. Here's the general idea of how to do it. Let's suppose you use a figure environment for the examples. In the figure you use a \label statement to give a symbolic name to the figure. Then in the text you use a \ref statement to refer to it. Example: \begin{figure} % code goes here \caption{Program Foo} \label{example-foo} \end{figure} % Narrative continues here Our program to do foo is shown in Figure \ref{example-foo}. When processed by LaTeX, the expression \ref{example-foo} is replaced by the actual number of the figure, for example, 2.1. I'm not much into hacking LaTeX or HtX styles, but two thoughts occur to me. One is that it might be nice to define an "example" type of environment, similar to the figure environment, but separate so that examples would be numbered independently of figures, in case you have other figures besides the programming examples. The other thought is, instead of just substituting the example number for the \ref expression, could HtX go a step farther by inserting an actual hypertext link to the example? This would be very nice. Greg Gregory D. Weber Assistant Professor of Computer Science Chair, Research and Grants Committee Indiana University East 2325 Chester Boulevard, Richmond, Indiana 47374-1289, U.S.A. Telephone: (765) 973-8420 FAX: (765) 973-8220 WWW: http://www.iue.indiana.edu/csci/hyplan/gdweber.html From chaynes Thu Jun 26 11:54:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: from moose.cs.indiana.edu by indra.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.5/IUCS.1.77) id LAA09260; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 11:54:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from roatan.ucs.indiana.edu by moose.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.5/IUCS.1.77) id LAA27661; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 11:54:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from juliet.ucs.indiana.edu (juliet.ucs.indiana.edu [129.79.5.203]) by roatan.ucs.indiana.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5/1.13IUPO) with ESMTP id LAA16679; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 11:54:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gdweber@localhost) by juliet.ucs.indiana.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3/1.8shakes) id LAA22454; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 11:54:08 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 11:54:08 -0500 (EST) From: gregory weber Message-Id: <199706261654.LAA22454@juliet.ucs.indiana.edu> To: jrusso@iusb.edu CC: mmcc@cs.indiana.edu In-reply-to: <199706260001.TAA00830@mail.iusb.edu> (jrusso@iusb.edu) Subject: Re: Some Issues for Discussion Here are my thoughts about some of John's proposals. --Greg From: Comments: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 19:01:04 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.52) I also have some ideas for improving our MMCC modules. Perhaps we can discuss these some time. I'd be happy to drive down to Indianapolis again. I've divided the ideas/questions into stylistic and pedagogical. PEDAGOGICAL 1) When a student clicks on "Answer", it might be nice if the resulting screen shows the original question as well as the answer? All of the times that I've clicked on "Answer" in Rich Salter's DRAGN lab materials, I never missed seeing the question repeated. Unless the questions was something very convoluted, I'd think not. And we probably don't want to ask horribly convoluted questions. 2) A "hint" button for students who get stuck on a question might be helpful for some of the harder questions. Agree, but don't we have this already? 3) Students should have an easy way to run code examples. (Repeated here for completeness). Agree. 4) Why not have a "next" button at the end of sections? This would make it a tad easier for students to go through the module. If we don't do this, I think there should be clearer indicators at the end of a section* to help students understand where they are in the lesson. 5) Don't we want to provide an easy way for students to MODIFY code? I believe our current strategy focuses on creating code from scratch. I have mixed feelings about this. One the one hand, it is often useful to modify existing code for a related purpose--problem solving by analogy. On the contrary, I've had students who got into the habit of doing that and were unable to write programs when they could not find an existing program that was relevantly similar. So I think some emphasis on creating programs from scratch is good, but probably it shouldn't be the only model of program development that we teach. 6) JavaScript output can be done via document.write or alert (I feel there are some problems with both methods). We might want to adopt some "output standards". STYLISTIC 1) The MMCC logo takes up too much space when a module is first loaded. The question and answer graphics are also a bit large. 2) If two questions are asked "back to back", double bars result. 3) The default space above code examples seems excessive. --John Gregory D. Weber Assistant Professor of Computer Science Chair, Research and Grants Committee Indiana University East 2325 Chester Boulevard, Richmond, Indiana 47374-1289, U.S.A. Telephone: (765) 973-8420 FAX: (765) 973-8220 WWW: http://www.iue.indiana.edu/csci/hyplan/gdweber.html From chaynes Fri Jul 11 09:46:29 1997 Return-Path: Received: from moose.cs.indiana.edu by indra.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.5/IUCS.1.77) id JAA28901; Fri, 11 Jul 1997 09:46:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.iusb.edu by moose.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.5/IUCS.1.77) id JAA29835; Fri, 11 Jul 1997 09:46:25 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from jrussoHome.iusb.edu (oit_ts1-03.iusb.edu [149.161.7.185]) by mail.iusb.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA02801 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 1997 09:46:03 -0500 Message-Id: <199707111446.JAA02801@mail.iusb.edu> Comments: Authenticated sender is To: "Course C Groupl" Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 09:45:58 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Draft of Module 5 Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.52) I've finished a draft of Module 5 (loops).To get to it browse http://oit.iusb.edu/~jrusso/mmcc/module5.html Haven't got any feedback yet on Module 4, but thought I'd better move ahead anyway. I look forward to your suggestions. --John From chaynes Tue Jul 22 17:21:47 1997 Return-Path: Received: from moose.cs.indiana.edu by indra.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.5/IUCS.1.77) id RAA06151; Tue, 22 Jul 1997 17:21:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from roatan.ucs.indiana.edu by moose.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.5/IUCS.1.77) id RAA26070; Tue, 22 Jul 1997 17:21:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from juliet.ucs.indiana.edu (juliet.ucs.indiana.edu [129.79.5.203]) by roatan.ucs.indiana.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5/1.13IUPO) with ESMTP id RAA11302 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 1997 17:21:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gdweber@localhost) by juliet.ucs.indiana.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3/1.8shakes) id RAA14319; Tue, 22 Jul 1997 17:21:45 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 17:21:45 -0500 (EST) From: gregory weber Message-Id: <199707222221.RAA14319@juliet.ucs.indiana.edu> To: mmcc@cs.indiana.edu CC: gdweber@juliet.ucs.indiana.edu Subject: A/B course: ethical/legal modules At about 6 p.m. tonight (Tuesday) I will post two documents for the A/B course, for review and comment. 1. Revised version of "Intellectual Property Rights for Computer Programs and Data", with a new section on software patents. See http://www.iue.indiana.edu/csci/ethics/software-copyright.html Question for the team: I feel I'm in very muddy water on the patent issue; if anyone can make better sense of this than I can, please speak up. 2. First version of "Free Speech on the Internet." See http://www.iue.indiana.edu/csci/ethics/freespeech.txt (This document is in pseudo-LaTeX form, because I didn't have time to complete the installation of HtX.) Questions for the team: a. Should the discussion deal with other forms of offensive or immoral speech besides obscenity--for example, hate speech, bomb-making instructions? b. Should there be a discussion of whether obscenity and/or pornography is ethical, even though it isn't legal, or whether obscenity should be legalized? In other words, if there were no legal penalties, or if I'm not worried about legal penalties, SHOULD I, from an ethical point of view, allow myself to post and/or view pornographic or obscene images, text, etc.? Should the law allow me to do this, whether it's ethical or not? (two really distinct issues) Let me explain why I'm asking this. In the discussion of "computer ethics," I would try to steer clear of topics which involve someone's using a computer to pursue some obviously immoral activity-- for example, using a computer to steal, murder, or commit adultery. These activities do not become ethical issues just because someone uses a computer--they're obviously wrong, and the computer makes no difference. The case of pornography is similar in that using a computer or using some other means to do it does not make any moral difference-- if it's wrong for one medium, it's wrong for all. Personally, I think that it's wrong. But I don't think that it's OBVIOUSLY wrong, in view of cultural developments since the 1950's, and probably a significant number of students, especially younger males, think that it's right. On the other hand, some people probably think it's obviously wrong. I would like to raise the consciousness of both groups. But I'm not sure that a computer science class is an appropriate forum for doing this, since, as I said before, using a computer is not what makes it right or wrong, and as far as I can see, using the computer does not even add a little moral twist pro or con. Gregory D. Weber Assistant Professor of Computer Science Chair, Research and Grants Committee Indiana University East 2325 Chester Boulevard, Richmond, Indiana 47374-1289, U.S.A. Telephone: (765) 973-8420 FAX: (765) 973-8220 WWW: http://www.iue.indiana.edu/csci/hyplan/gdweber.html From chaynes Wed Jul 23 11:04:18 1997 Return-Path: Received: from moose.cs.indiana.edu by indra.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.5/IUCS.1.77) id LAA08517; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 11:04:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from indra.cs.indiana.edu by moose.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.5/IUCS.1.77) id LAA26583; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 11:04:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by indra.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.5/IUCS.1.77) id LAA08503; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 11:04:08 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199707231604.LAA08503@indra.cs.indiana.edu> To: gregory weber cc: mmcc@cs.indiana.edu, gdweber@juliet.ucs.indiana.edu Subject: Re: A/B course: ethical/legal modules In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 22 Jul 1997 17:21:45 EST." <199707222221.RAA14319@juliet.ucs.indiana.edu> Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 11:04:06 -0500 From: Christopher Haynes > Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 17:21:45 -0500 (EST) > From: gregory weber > To: mmcc@cs.indiana.edu > CC: gdweber@juliet.ucs.indiana.edu > Subject: A/B course: ethical/legal modules > > At about 6 p.m. tonight (Tuesday) I will post two documents for the A/B course, > for review and comment. > > 1. Revised version of "Intellectual Property Rights for > Computer Programs and Data", with a new section on software > patents. See > http://www.iue.indiana.edu/csci/ethics/software-copyright.html > > Question for the team: > I feel I'm in very muddy water on the patent issue; if anyone > can make better sense of this than I can, please speak up. I think you did a nice job on the patent issue, and also on copyright of user interfaces. I would add only that a number of smaller computer business have already been driven out of business by rediculous property rights litigation. The problem is even worse and more immediate than you make it seem. On the other hand, I think the dialog is very unnatural, to the point that I think most students will stop reading it very soon and never get to the good stuff that follows. Norm's dialog, including phrases like "Let's try to resolve your doubt.", are hardly realistic. As a student when I read things like this that I interpreted as obvious attempts to "bring things down to my level" I felt insulted. I also feel that very few of our readers will benefit from the language of formal ethics and mention of Marx and Hobbes. On the contrary, it will turn them off, which means they will stop reading our stuff. The list of readings is also far too long. This is not an ethics class. I dialog might be a good way of presenting this point, but if so it would have a very different tone and be very much shorter. The general point is really obvious to almost all who give it consideration for a moment (except for a radical few like Richard Stallman). If the dialog isn't very short indeed, Holly sould have pithy realistic counters, such as "Bill made gazillions of dollars last year, and relative to that has given very little to education or any other good cause. Why should I give my hard earned money to him?" Just my opinion here. I have no experience teaching this sort of thing. > 2. First version of "Free Speech on the Internet." See > http://www.iue.indiana.edu/csci/ethics/freespeech.txt > (This document is in pseudo-LaTeX form, because I didn't > have time to complete the installation of HtX.) > > Questions for the team: > > a. Should the discussion deal with other forms of offensive > or immoral speech besides obscenity--for example, hate speech, > bomb-making instructions? It would be good to mention that they are related issues. > b. Should there be a discussion of whether obscenity and/or > pornography is ethical, even though it isn't legal, > or whether obscenity should be legalized? In other words, > if there were no legal penalties, or if I'm not worried about > legal penalties, SHOULD I, from an ethical point of view, > allow myself to post and/or view pornographic or obscene > images, text, etc.? Should the law allow me to do this, > whether it's ethical or not? (two really distinct issues) Definitely don't get involved in broad ethical/moral issues except in ways that are specially involved with computing. This is a CS course! In what sense is obscenity on the net illegal? This is a sticky question, since with very few exceptions (like child porn) US law leaves it to local communities to determine what is illegal obscenity and what isn't. (E.g. you find video stores with adult sections in most communities, but not all. It's up to the community.) The problem is, the net is non-local by its nature, so how are community standards relevant? Even if the local community doesn't allow adult video stores, you can still legally order such videos by mail or bring them into your home from another community. The net is about to make community control of what people see in their homes entirely irrelevant. It also, unfortunately, makes government control of any sort, even say child porn, essentially impossible to enforce by any means other than some forms of entrapment. Cheers, Chris From chaynes Thu Jul 24 12:58:30 1997 Return-Path: Received: from moose.cs.indiana.edu by indra.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.5/IUCS.1.77) id MAA12092; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 12:58:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from belize.ucs.indiana.edu by moose.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.5/IUCS.1.77) id MAA17875; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 12:58:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from juliet.ucs.indiana.edu (juliet.ucs.indiana.edu [129.79.10.43]) by belize.ucs.indiana.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5/1.13IUPO) with ESMTP id MAA03922; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 12:58:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gdweber@localhost) by juliet.ucs.indiana.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3/1.8shakes) id MAA23712; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 12:58:24 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 12:58:24 -0500 (EST) From: gregory weber Message-Id: <199707241758.MAA23712@juliet.ucs.indiana.edu> To: chaynes@cs.indiana.edu CC: mmcc@cs.indiana.edu In-reply-to: <199707231604.LAA08503@indra.cs.indiana.edu> (message from Christopher Haynes on Wed, 23 Jul 1997 11:04:06 -0500) Subject: Re: A/B course: ethical/legal modules Chris, You mentioned that "a number of smaller computer business have already been driven out of busines by rediculous property rights litigation." Does anyone have details about this? Names of companies, cases? Was it copyright or patent litigation? I'd like to mention this and be as specific as possible. Greg From chaynes Thu Jul 24 18:18:03 1997 Return-Path: Received: from moose.cs.indiana.edu by indra.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.5/IUCS.1.77) id SAA13059; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 18:18:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from roatan.ucs.indiana.edu by moose.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.5/IUCS.1.77) id SAA01480; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 18:18:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from juliet.ucs.indiana.edu (juliet.ucs.indiana.edu [129.79.5.203]) by roatan.ucs.indiana.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5/1.13IUPO) with ESMTP id SAA11733 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 18:18:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gdweber@localhost) by juliet.ucs.indiana.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3/1.8shakes) id SAA10059; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 18:17:59 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 18:17:59 -0500 (EST) From: gregory weber Message-Id: <199707242317.SAA10059@juliet.ucs.indiana.edu> To: mmcc@cs.indiana.edu CC: gdweber@juliet.ucs.indiana.edu Subject: A/B course: copyright and patent module Yet another verson of this: see http://www.iue.indiana.edu/csci/ethics/software-copyright.txt Questions for the team: 1. I've added some comments on the non-obvious requirement for patents; there are two forms of this, long and short. I have a feeling that maybe I'm flaming too much in the long form, so maybe the short one is better? 2. Is anyone reading this stuff besides Chris? Summary of changes from the previous version: 1. I've made a few stylistic changes to the dialog to try to make Norm's lines more natural, but without cutting the points, which I think are extremely important, that (1) ethical decisions with respect to computers or anything else depend on our understanding of human nature or at least are grounded in some kind of ethical theory, and (2) there is a strong link between behaving ethically and living a happy life, a life worth living. This material has been class-tested. Students tell me they understand the connection I am making with human nature. 2. There are NO CHANGES to "A few other facts about copyright" or "Copyright of User Interfaces." 3. Additions to "Patenting Computer Programs," as mentioned above. 4. I've moved Norm's comments about Marx and Hobbes to the "Philosophical Note." Since there is nothing computer-specific after this, even the most hardboiled anti-philosophical types won't miss anything but philosophy and references if they fall asleep or turn off the computer at this point. 5. I've reorganized the reference section, both adding and deleting some items. I don't see any harm in a long reference section, and I certainly don't want to fail to give credit to authors I've cited. Reference sections coming at the end of chapters customarily are skipped by all but the most diligent readers, but it's for the benefit of the diligent that we put them there. Greg P.S. I'll be working at home on the privacy module, and not receiving email, until Monday. If anyone wants to communicate with me urgently, they can call me at 937-667-8559. From chaynes Mon Jul 28 16:24:26 1997 Return-Path: Received: from moose.cs.indiana.edu by indra.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.5/IUCS.1.77) id QAA26479; Mon, 28 Jul 1997 16:24:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from cs.oberlin.edu by moose.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.5/IUCS.1.77) id QAA23436; Mon, 28 Jul 1997 16:24:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (rms@localhost) by cs.oberlin.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA01321; Mon, 28 Jul 1997 17:24:01 -0400 Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 17:24:01 -0400 Message-Id: <199707282124.RAA01321@cs.oberlin.edu> From: Richard Salter To: mmcc@cs.indiana.edu Subject: HtX 1.1 HtX 1.1 (beta) with frames style can now be downloaded from the HtX-MMCC page. It is available in Sun/SPARC and Wintel 95/NT versions. Rich From chaynes Mon Jul 28 17:09:15 1997 Return-Path: Received: from moose.cs.indiana.edu by indra.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.5/IUCS.1.77) id RAA26613; Mon, 28 Jul 1997 17:09:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from blacktip.cs.indiana.edu by moose.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.5/IUCS.1.77) id RAA24977; Mon, 28 Jul 1997 17:09:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by blacktip.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.5/IUCS.1.77) id RAA22934; Mon, 28 Jul 1997 17:09:10 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199707282209.RAA22934@blacktip.cs.indiana.edu> To: gregory weber cc: mmcc@cs.indiana.edu Subject: Re: A/B course: copyright and patent module In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 24 Jul 1997 18:17:59 EST." <199707242317.SAA10059@juliet.ucs.indiana.edu> Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 17:09:09 -0500 From: "Richard E. Fulcher" > Yet another verson of this: see > http://www.iue.indiana.edu/csci/ethics/software-copyright.txt > 1. I've added some comments on the non-obvious requirement for patents; > there are two forms of this, long and short. I have a feeling that > maybe I'm flaming too much in the long form, so maybe the short one is > better? I think the short one works better overall. > 2. Is anyone reading this stuff besides Chris? Yeah. Sorry to be hopping in a little late, I was out sick last week. > Summary of changes from the previous version: > 1. I've made a few stylistic changes to the dialog to try to make > Norm's lines more natural, but without cutting the points, which I think > are extremely important, that (1) ethical decisions with respect to computers > or anything else depend on our understanding of human nature or at least > are grounded in some kind of ethical theory, and (2) there is a strong > link between behaving ethically and living a happy life, a life worth > living. > This material has been class-tested. Students tell me they understand > the connection I am making with human nature. I'd have to agree with some of Chris' reservations about some of the "unnaturalness" of the dialogue ... particularly having to use fictional product names, hiding Bill Gates behind Bill Doors, etc. Why not simply say the names of actual products and CEOs? If the point is to try to ground the discussion into the "real world" experience, why burden the dialogue with these fabrications? I'm sure this dialogue will play well with some audiences and fall perfectly flat with others, probably in many cases with the brighter students. I'd guess I'd like to see the dialogue kept as brief as possible. One addition I would like to see to this section is some discussion of the Fair Use provision of the copyright law. If you go back to the Copyright Act of 1976 (which specified protection of "original works of authorship, fixed in any tangible medium of expression, either directly, or with the aid of a machine"), the Fair Use Clause sights 4 specific circumstances where copyright does not protect material: * Teaching * Reporting news * Research * Criticism The other sections look good / read well. > 5. I've reorganized the reference section [snip] Looks good to me. No reason to skimp there, even if few will read it. - Rich Fulcher From chaynes Mon Jul 28 17:23:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: from moose.cs.indiana.edu by indra.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.5/IUCS.1.77) id RAA26654; Mon, 28 Jul 1997 17:23:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from gummy.cs.indiana.edu by moose.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.5/IUCS.1.77) id RAA25328; Mon, 28 Jul 1997 17:23:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by gummy.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.5/IUCS.1.77) id RAA04866; Mon, 28 Jul 1997 17:23:50 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199707282223.RAA04866@gummy.cs.indiana.edu> To: Christopher Haynes cc: gregory weber , mmcc@cs.indiana.edu, gdweber@juliet.ucs.indiana.edu Subject: Re: A/B course: ethical/legal modules In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 23 Jul 1997 11:04:06 EST." <199707231604.LAA08503@indra.cs.indiana.edu> Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 17:23:49 -0500 From: "Richard E. Fulcher" > > 2. First version of "Free Speech on the Internet." See > > http://www.iue.indiana.edu/csci/ethics/freespeech.txt > > (This document is in pseudo-LaTeX form, because I didn't > > have time to complete the installation of HtX.) > > > > Questions for the team: > > > > a. Should the discussion deal with other forms of offensive > > or immoral speech besides obscenity--for example, hate speech, > > bomb-making instructions? > > It would be good to mention that they are related issues. I think these topics, particularly hate-speech and personal attacks, should most certainly be dealt with. There have been several press clippings about students using other students' accounts to send vitriolic messages, in several cases to minority student mailing lists, just during the spring semester at Bloomington. When I've taught this in the past, breaking lecture (mine are 80+ students) into groups and role-playing through scenarios has worked well. Some parts of the class might be students, other campus computer administrators, others alumni, or reporters etc. Lots of scenarios can be raised: * Using a university-provided account to post to sex or militia groups * Using someone else's account * Sending hate mail * Using your university web page to publish objectionable material etc. Given the roles they have been assigned, students are asked what they might do in these situations. Administrators would have to decide policies and punishments, etc. and students could argue against these. > > b. Should there be a discussion of whether obscenity and/or > > pornography is ethical, even though it isn't legal, > > or whether obscenity should be legalized? [snip] I don't think this is really what we want the focus of the discussion to be, but students certainly may wish to raise this point. Far more interesting to me are the policy issues, especially as local community standards become increasingly meaningless, as Chris pointed out. Even talking about the technology of inclusive and exclusive filters for web pages, discussions of rating systems, and of related technologies such as the V-chip make sense in this context. - Rich Fulcher From chaynes Sat Aug 2 18:09:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: from moose.cs.indiana.edu by indra.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.5/IUCS.1.77) id SAA15266; Sat, 2 Aug 1997 18:09:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from cs.oberlin.edu by moose.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.5/IUCS.1.77) id SAA27870; Sat, 2 Aug 1997 18:09:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (rms@localhost) by cs.oberlin.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA05527; Sat, 2 Aug 1997 19:09:52 -0400 Date: Sat, 2 Aug 1997 19:09:52 -0400 Message-Id: <199708022309.TAA05527@cs.oberlin.edu> From: Richard Salter To: mmcc@cs.indiana.edu Subject: Course A/B prototype Friends: I have created a prototypical lab manual using the frames style for course a/b, using the same modules in the same order that appear in the printed version. You can view it from the home page at: http://www.cs.oberlin.edu/~rms/mmcc/a/ Rich From chaynes Tue Aug 5 13:58:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: from moose.cs.indiana.edu by indra.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.5/IUCS.1.77) id NAA24407; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 13:58:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from belize.ucs.indiana.edu by moose.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.5/IUCS.1.77) id NAA17194; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 13:58:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from juliet.ucs.indiana.edu (juliet.ucs.indiana.edu [129.79.10.43]) by belize.ucs.indiana.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5/1.13IUPO) with ESMTP id NAA19673 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 13:58:49 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gdweber@localhost) by juliet.ucs.indiana.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3/1.8shakes) id NAA06369; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 13:58:49 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 13:58:49 -0500 (EST) From: gregory weber Message-Id: <199708051858.NAA06369@juliet.ucs.indiana.edu> To: mmcc@cs.indiana.edu Subject: Privacy module for A/B course The privacy module is available for comment. Of course, it's too late for changes to the printed version for fall semester, but I will keep suggestions in mind for the next go-around. Greg Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 22:53:06 -0400 From: Richard Salter To: gregory weber Subject: MMCC privacy module In-Reply-To: <199707311720.MAA17575@juliet.ucs.indiana.edu> References: <199707311720.MAA17575@juliet.ucs.indiana.edu> I HtXified the privacy module and made printable versions of all 3. You can see the privacy module at http://www.cs.oberlin.edu/~rms/mmcc/weber/prv/prv.html Rich gregory weber writes: >Rich, did you get the privacy module in time? I've tried to look for it >in http://www.cs.oberlin.edu/~rms/mmcc/ but I don't have access to the >directory. > >Greg From chaynes Tue Dec 9 22:33:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: from moose.cs.indiana.edu (root@moose.cs.indiana.edu [129.79.254.191]) by indra.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/IUCS_2.13) with ESMTP id WAA04245 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 22:33:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from pdusky.cs.indiana.edu. (pdusky.cs.indiana.edu [129.79.240.213]) by moose.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/IUCS_2.13) with SMTP id WAA08534; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 22:33:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from pdusky.cs.indiana.edu by pdusky.cs.indiana.edu. (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id WAA00993; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 22:37:19 -0500 Sender: springer@cs.indiana.edu Message-ID: <348E0E6F.1E8@cs.indiana.edu> Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 22:37:19 -0500 From: George Springer X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.02 (X11; I; SunOS 5.5 sun4m) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mmcc@cs.indiana.edu Subject: MMCC Meeting on January 17, 1998 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MEMORANDUM TO: MMCC Participants FROM: George Springer SUBJECT: Meeting on January 17, 1998 DATE: December 9, 1998 Even though we are all busy thinking about finals and preparing for the Spring semester, it is also time for us to make plans for the SDI MMCC Project work for next summer. It is not too early to be thinking about commitments for next summer, and I want to have our plans pretty well developed by February. Thus I would like to call a meeting of all campus representatives and others interested in the MMCC work on Saturday, January 17, in Bloomington. As usual, your expenses will be reimbursed by the grant. I'll try to summarize what we have done so far to set the stage for our planning. I would like to begin with the good news that we recently heard. I held off writing this letter hoping that I would have the final word by now, but we are still waiting for it. The news is that NSF has asked for a revised budget for our proposal to develop the Miracle programming environment for our Course C: Programming Concepts. They asked us to reduce the budget from $64,000 to $55,000. This is a good omen and often means that the project will be funded. The grant money will supplement the SDI funds to support the MMCC work during the Summer of 1998. During the Summer of 1996, the first draft of Course A: Introduction to Computing, and course B: Summary of Computing, were written. This book was published by McGraw-Hill's Primus Custom Publishing Division, and is called "Introduction to Computing." This course has now been taught on several campuses and is ready for revision. During the Summer of 1997, the following courses were developed in first draft form: Course C: Programming Concepts was written and a prototype of the Miracle Programming Environment was developed in Java Script. Students us a simple English language syntax and Miracle produces the code in either Visual Basic or Java Script, depending upon the instructors preference. We can thus concentrate on the semantics of programming without being burdened with teaching the syntax. It has turned out to be a very successful way of teaching programming to non-majors in the pilot classes held at IUPUI and in Bloomington. We plan to recast Miracle in Java and have it produce code in Visual Basic, Java Script, or Java when it is finished at the end of the summer. Other campuses may also want to try it next year in their courses. Course F: Using the World Wide Web was written and was published by McGraw-Hill's Primus Custom Publishing Division. This course was also taught on several campuses. Course G: Multimedia Communication as written and tested at Kokomo. IUPUI will also teach it next semester. We still have two more courses to write during the Summer of 1998. The first is Course D: Data Analysis using Spreadsheets, and Course E: Data Management. We hope to line up the teams to work on these courses during our meeting on January 17. There are many other aspects of the project that need further planning and development. We still see the need for a placement test for the sequence of course in the MMCC Program. We also think that there should be some guides for instructors to accompany the materials we produce. We also have to plan for revisions of the first drafts we have produced and their publication. We would like to see more sites use the materials to be more feedback for the revisions. We hope that each campus will again be represented at this meeting. It would be nice if more than one person could come from each campus this time. I would appreciate it if you would let me know in advance whether you plan to come and when you will arrive. I'll send out an agenda for the meeting shortly before January 17. I would like the meeting to start at 10:00 a.m., with a light breakfast (coffee, juice, and pastries) available here from 9:00 a.m. We shall probably adjourn at 4:30 p.m. I would also like to arrange a dinner on Friday evening for those who plan to stay here Friday night. As usual, you can make reservations directly at the Indiana Memorial Union, or at any of the motels in town. If you would like to have a list of motels, please write to me and I'll e-mail it to you. I look forward to hearing from you soon. ...George Springer Computer Science Dept. \ springer@cs.indiana.edu Indiana University /\ Phone: (812) 855-0918 Bloomington, IN 47405 / \ FAX: (812) 855-4829 From chaynes Tue Jan 6 16:36:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: from moose.cs.indiana.edu (moose.cs.indiana.edu [129.79.252.123]) by indra.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/IUCS_2.14) with ESMTP id QAA12261 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 16:36:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from vishnu.cs.indiana.edu (root@vishnu.cs.indiana.edu [129.79.245.155]) by moose.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/IUCS_2.14) with ESMTP id QAA29918 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 16:36:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from cs.indiana.edu (springer@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by vishnu.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/IUCS_2.14) with ESMTP id QAA29928 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 16:36:32 -0500 (EST) Sender: springer@cs.indiana.edu Message-ID: <34B2A3DD.8CBB66C@cs.indiana.edu> Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 16:36:30 -0500 From: George Springer Organization: Indiana University X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5 sun4m) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mmcc@cs.indiana.edu Subject: Agenda for the January 17th Meeting Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit TO: MMCC Participants FROM: George Springer SUBJECT: Agenda for January 17, 1998 DATE: January 6, 1998 I'll start with the good news that our NSF proposal to develop the Miracle Programming Environment was formally accepted. This will support the development of the software this summer. Planning for the summer work will be the main topic at our MMCC meeting on January 17. Here is the agenda for the January 17 meeting. 9:00 Orange Juice,Coffee, and Bagels 10:00 Review of Progress by Team Leaders Course A/B: Harris/Mills Course C: Haynes/Harris Course F: Leone Course G: Ross 12:00 Lunch 1:30 NSF Grant Plans for Summer Course C: Haynes, Harris, Menzel, 2GAs, 2UA's, _____. SDI Grant Plans for Summer Course D: Chin, Heimansohn, 1UA, ____. Course E: Sengupta, 1GA, ____. 3:00 Course Numbers Test Sites Publication Plans 4:00 Future Proposals Writing a Teaching Manual and Conducting Workshops Developing a Placement Test Adjourn In the above agenda, GA stands for Graduate Assistant and UA stands for Undergraduate Assistant. The blanks "_____" stand for others who would like to work on these projects during the Summer of 1998. We shall complete the working teams at the January meeting. If you have not yet confirmed your attendance at this meeting, please do so as soon as you can. If you would like to bring one of more colleagues with you, they will be most welcome. Expenses will be paid as usual. We look forward to seeing you again. Best wishes, George and Ray From chaynes Tue Jan 6 22:44:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: from moose.cs.indiana.edu (moose.cs.indiana.edu [129.79.252.123]) by indra.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/IUCS_2.14) with ESMTP id WAA13124 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 22:44:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by moose.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/IUCS_2.14) with ESMTP id WAA12435 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 22:44:17 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199801070344.WAA12435@moose.cs.indiana.edu> To: mmcc@cs.indiana.edu Subject: January 17th Meeting Rooms Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 22:44:16 -0500 From: George Springer TO: MMCC Participants FROM: George Springer SUBJECT: Agenda for January 17, 1998 DATE: January 6, 1998 The meeting of the MMCC will take place at IU Bloomington in Lindley Hall 101 and 102. Continental Breakfast at 9 a.m. and the meeting itself starts at 10 a.m. ...George From chaynes Fri May 8 15:05:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: from moose.cs.indiana.edu (root@moose.cs.indiana.edu [129.79.252.123]) by indra.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/IUCS_2.18) with ESMTP id PAA20432 for ; Fri, 8 May 1998 15:05:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from cs.indiana.edu (pdusky.cs.indiana.edu [129.79.240.213]) by moose.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/IUCS_2.18) with ESMTP id PAA22847 for ; Fri, 8 May 1998 15:05:22 -0500 (EST) Sender: springer@cs.indiana.edu Message-ID: <35536699.C6557731@cs.indiana.edu> Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 15:10:01 -0500 From: George Springer Reply-To: springer@cs.indiana.edu, rchin@indyvax.iupui.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5 sun4m) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mmcc@cs.indiana.edu Subject: Meeting of MMCC on Friday, May 22, 1998 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ray Chin and I would like to hold the regular Spring meeting of everyone connected with the MMCC project on Friday, May 22, 1998 at the Computer Science Department at IUPUI in Indianapolis. The meeting will start at 10:00 a.m. and last until around 4:00 p.m. Those who are invloved in the work being planned this summer will discuss their plans with the whole group. We shall review what has been done during the first two years of the project. An important part of the meeting will be making plans for future activities. Ray or I will send the building and room number of the meeting room as soon as he makes the necessary arrangements. Please let us know by return e-mail whether you plan to come to the meeting. As usual, any expenses you incur in connection with this meeting will be reimbursed. We look forward to seeing you again at the meeting. ...George and Ray From chaynes Wed May 13 15:12:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: from moose.cs.indiana.edu (root@moose.cs.indiana.edu [129.79.252.123]) by indra.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/IUCS_2.18) with ESMTP id PAA05149 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 15:12:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from cs.indiana.edu (pdusky.cs.indiana.edu [129.79.240.213]) by moose.cs.indiana.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/IUCS_2.18) with ESMTP id PAA13202; Wed, 13 May 1998 15:12:03 -0500 (EST) Sender: springer@cs.indiana.edu Message-ID: <3559FFAC.B6383254@cs.indiana.edu> Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 15:16:44 -0500 From: George Springer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5 sun4m) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mmcc@cs.indiana.edu Subject: More info for MMCC meeting on 5/22 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I heard from Ray this morning that our meeting on May 22nd will be in Room SL 208, which is in the Computer Science Building at the southwest corner of Bradford and Michigan. 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